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RE: RE: 駁斥『人成為神』謬論(轉貼)

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原討論主題駁斥『人成為神』謬論(轉貼)

> 基本上聚會所談論"神成為人,人成為神"還是延續著古教父的說法。

Athanasius, On the Incarnation,

(54)...but rather let him recognize the fact and marvel ...that through death deathlessness has been made known to us, and through the Incarnation of the Word .... He, indeed, assumed humanity that we might become God. .... He endured shame from men that we might inherit immortality. ...
..http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/history/ath-inc.htm

54. ...but rather let him marvel ...that by death immortality has reached to all, and that by the Word becoming man, ...For He was made man that we might be made God; ...and He endured the insolence of men that we might inherit immortality....
..http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2802.htm

古教父的說法乃在於強調 "不死" (immortality, deathlessness),
不在於 "成為神", 成為完全的神, 成為只缺神格的神,

有點頭腦的人, 都會質疑: 沒有神格的神也算是神嗎?
沒有主權的人叫做奴隸, 沒有生命的人叫做死人, 沒有神格的神叫做什麼?
-- 這就是聚會所所造成的混亂, 不好好根據聖經講話, 反而滿嘴的專有名詞, 忙不完的解釋和撲火,

新教所要復原的不是古教父的說法, 而是聖經的說法,

..啟 19:4 那二十四位長老與四活物,就俯伏敬拜坐寶座的神,說,阿們,哈利路亞。
..啟 22:9 他對我說,千萬不可。我與你,和你的弟兄眾先知,並那些守這書上言語的人,同是作僕人的。你要敬拜神。

人就是人, 是做神的僕人,
被創造來管理神所造的世界,
被復活來敬拜神,
-- 這就是聖經的說法,

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