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>>Either is a statement for the opposite thought found.
>>(I do not like to make this statement here in public,
>>but I hope to learn more here
>>in order to change such a statement if it is wrong.)
>
>>I need a passage of a clear claim
>>that man may CAUSE his FAITH to happen
>>rather than that man may make his faith.
>
>保羅沒有這樣清楚的說,因為這在當時不是問題.當時的問題是人得救是因為人的行為,還是因著人的信心.
人得救不是因為人的行為,
是因為耶穌的行為;
不是因著人的信心 which is made by man,
是因著人的信心 which is held by man
According to total depravity
without inspiration of God
man can not think or do any good.
Man can think or do any good
only as long as being inspired
(cf. Gal. 5:16-25).
Please, please tell me
how you use your will in decision-making.
Does your will follow anything else?
How does your will work freely?
How did you finally decide to choose God.
Do you still have free will to choose sin?
Can you explain how free will works in slavery of sin,
or in slavery of riteousness?
----- Sorry, go too far.
Let us see what the Bible says about free will.
>保羅強調是人的信心.
>羅3:22 就是神的義，因信耶穌基督加給一切相信的人，並沒有分別。
>25 神設立耶穌作挽回祭，是憑著耶穌的血，藉著"人的信"，要顯明神的義；因為他用忍耐的心寬容人先時所犯的罪，
Total depravity does not eliminate the role of faith,
but opposes to the concept
that such faith is generated by free will.
As you mentioned in the above,
"保羅沒有這樣清楚的說" regarding such free will,
(Nor regarding the inspired faith, Big says.)
Rom. 3:22 and 25 show that faith exists in salvation
rather than faith is initiated by man.
People may say that
God puts faith into man
and man holds faith into salvation.
>>Either is a statement for the opposite thought found.
>>(I do not like to make this statement here in public,
>>but I hope to learn more here
>>in order to change such a statement if it is wrong.)
>
>>I need a passage of a clear claim
>>that man may CAUSE his FAITH to happen
>>rather than that man may make his faith.
>
>保羅沒有這樣清楚的說,因為這在當時不是問題.當時的問題是人得救是因為人的行為,還是因著人的信心.
人得救不是因為人的行為,
是因為耶穌的行為;
不是因著人的信心 which is made by man,
是因著人的信心 which is held by man
According to total depravity
without inspiration of God
man can not think or do any good.
Man can think or do any good
only as long as being inspired
(cf. Gal. 5:16-25).
Please, please tell me
how you use your will in decision-making.
Does your will follow anything else?
How does your will work freely?
How did you finally decide to choose God.
Do you still have free will to choose sin?
Can you explain how free will works in slavery of sin,
or in slavery of riteousness?
----- Sorry, go too far.
Let us see what the Bible says about free will.
>保羅強調是人的信心.
>羅3:22 就是神的義，因信耶穌基督加給一切相信的人，並沒有分別。
>25 神設立耶穌作挽回祭，是憑著耶穌的血，藉著"人的信"，要顯明神的義；因為他用忍耐的心寬容人先時所犯的罪，
Total depravity does not eliminate the role of faith,
but opposes to the concept
that such faith is generated by free will.
As you mentioned in the above,
"保羅沒有這樣清楚的說" regarding such free will,
(Nor regarding the inspired faith, Big says.)
Rom. 3:22 and 25 show that faith exists in salvation
rather than faith is initiated by man.
People may say that
God puts faith into man
and man holds faith into salvation.
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